ABC and CBS's morning shows on Wednesday both provided surprisingly
tough questioning to Christina Romer, one of Barack Obama's economic
advisors. On the issue of health care, Good Morning America co-host
Diane Sawyer compared the costs of Medicare to the new health care plan
and pointed out past government inaccuracies when it came to accessing
cost.
She grilled, "
You know, in 1965, everyone was told that over 25
years, the cost of Medicare would be $12 billion. The actual cost, $107
billion." Sawyer added, "Ten-times what the estimate was. Can you
know this cost? And can you guarantee it's not going to be more than
the administration believes?" Early Show co-host Maggie Rodriguez
quizzed Romer, the Chairwoman of the President's Council of Economic
Advisors, on Obama's repeated insistence that he has no interest in
meddling in the private sector. She wondered, "He sounds like he's
being forced to do these things. If he believes that big government is
actually a bad thing, why doesn't he at least try less intrusive
options, which are certainly be offered up?"
After Romer responded with a talking point about how the status quo
"can't remain," Rodriguez pressed, "But why not start less
aggressively?" Regarding the issue of new government regulatory reform
for the credit card and mortgage industry, the CBS host queried, "How
can the consumer feel confident in – in trusting such a controversial
proposal when, for example, the President conceded yesterday that
unemployment will hit 10 percent, when the administration had predicted
that if we passed the stimulus, it wouldn't go over eight percent?"
On the issue of new regulations for credit cards, GMA's Sawyer challenged, "
And does it mean that you can run up a high bill, a high debt on your credit card and effect government protection?" She also speculated that such legislation could lead to "second guessing the banks, the mortgage industry."
Romer appeared unprepared for this hardball from Sawyer on a proposed health care overhaul:
DIANE SAWYER: Turning for a moment to health care, if I
can, this morning. The Congressional Budget Office, as we know, issued
a report which created kind of a bombshell about Senator Kennedy's
bill, which is the leading Democratic bill at this point. Saying that
not only would it be the huge cost over ten years, but at the end of
the day, you'd still have, net, 36 million people who wouldn't be
covered. Even Senator Dodd said he was concerned and surprised by those
numbers and he helped draft the bill.
CHRISTINA ROMER: So- the crucial thing- Last Monday, the President
gave his vision of health care reform. And here I just have to tell
you, do you notice how health care reform and financial regulatory
reform, sort of all go together. This is the President's theme of not
only getting through this crisis, but coming through stronger. A new
foundation for the economy. And he laid forth principles, such as
making sure we contain cost growth. Expanding coverage. And put some
very concrete proposals on the tables.
NBC's Today show also featured
an interview with Romer,
but it was brief and amounted to only one clip of the official
explaining the administration's regulatory plans. News anchor Ann Curry
did label the proposal a "tough sell" in Congress.
It's unclear what prompted such skeptical inquiries from CBS and
ABC hosts, but more of this type of actual journalism would certainly
be appreciated by many Americans.
A transcript of the June 17 GMA and Early show interviews can be found below:
Good Morning America
7:03
SAWYER: And we followed up on this a few minutes ago, when, from
Washington, we talked to Dr. Christina Romer, who is chairwoman of the
President's Council of Economic Advisers. So, as we heard Jake Tapper
say, this could be a real challenge up on Capitol Hill, with a lot
of people saying these enormous, new regulations could intrude into
every part of the commercial financial world. Second guessing the
banks, the mortgage industry. What's your response?
ROMER (Chair, Council of Economic Advisors): I think the key thing
to say is that the status quo is not an option. One of the things that
we've seen from the crisis that we've been going through is that there
were gaps. There were failures in our regulatory system. And we need to
make it better. What we're proposing is an important overhaul, the
biggest overhaul since the Great Depression.
SAWYER: If I can bring it down to the consumer for a moment. There's
one quote I noticed in the paper this morning, saying that the consumer
protections would, in effect, be deciding how people live. Not just how
people get to decide for themselves. And the question is, take credit
cards alone. What will be new for the consumer on credit cards? What
would you prevent? And does it mean that you can run up a high bill, a high debt on your credit card and effect government protection?
ROMER: No. Very much what the new Consumer Financial Protection
Agency is supposed to do is to really watch out for all the ways in
which consumers borrow. You know, we have a lot of those regulations
today. They're just kind of spread around to a lot of different
agencies, a lot of different regulators. Very much what our proposal
says is, the consumer deserves one agency, whose only job is to watch
out for them.
SAWYER: Turning for a moment to health care, if I can, this morning. The
Congressional Budget Office, as we know, issued a report which created
kind of a bombshell about Senator Kennedy's bill, which is the leading
Democratic bill at this point. Saying that not only would it be the
huge cost over ten years, but at the end of the day, you'd still have,
net, 36 million people who wouldn't be covered. Even Senator Dodd said
he was concerned and surprised by those numbers and he helped draft the
bill.
ROMER: So- the crucial thing- Last Monday, the President gave his
vision of health care reform. And here I just have to tell you, do you
notice how health care reform and financial regulatory reform, sort of
all go together. This is the President's theme of not only getting
through this crisis, but coming through stronger. A new foundation for
the economy. And he laid forth principles, such as making sure we
contain cost growth. Expanding coverage. And put some very concrete
proposals on the tables.
SAWYER: Members of Congress, though, like House Minority Leader John
Boehner have said, whatever is being said, the costs are unknowable and
going to be astronomical. And there's a cautionary tale in
Medicare. We went back to look. You know, in 1965, everyone was told
that over 25 years, the cost of Medicare would be $12 billion. [ABC graphics appear onscreen showing disparity.] The
actual cost, $107 billion. Ten-times what the estimate was. Can you
know this cost? And can you guarantee it's not going to be more than
the administration believes?
ROMER: Of course, you can't ever know the future. What the
President, though, has said is, we're absolutely going to pay for this
thing. Any health reform that we do, absolutely can't grow the deficit
in the short-run. And it needs to make the fundamental kind of reforms
that will slow the growth of costs in the long run, because that's the
thing that's fundamentally going to bring down the budget deficit,
eventually.
The Early Show
7:03
MAGGIE RODRIGUEZ: Joining us now, also from Washington, is Christina Romer,
she is the chair of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers. Dr.
Romer, good morning.
CHRISTINA ROMER: Good morning. Great to be here.
RODRIGUEZ: Thanks for being here. For the people at home wondering
‘how will this help me?,’ can you give us a nutshell answer in layman's
terms please.
ROMER: Absolutely. I think there are two crucial things it will do.
One, it’s going to make our economy, our financial institutions, more
stable. That is a big goal of the President. You’ve seen really a theme
the last several weeks of the new foundations, sort of coming through
this crisis stronger and healthier. Health reform is part of that.
Financial regulatory reform is part of that, to really make it so that
our financial institutions are more, you know, are less risky, more
stable. So that's going to be crucial for all of us, because we know
that financial crises are terrible for the overall economy. And then
for individuals, the new Consumer Financial Protection Agency is really
going to take all of those consumer regulations and put them into one
place, so that there’s one agency whose only job it is, is to watch out
for consumers, the deceptive practices, transparency, making sure there
is a plain vanilla option, even when there are more complicated ones.
All of that’s going to be great for the consumer.
RODRIGUEZ: But this all comes with a lot of government intervention,
which the President said yesterday, is not ideally what he would like
to be doing. And that reminded me of when GM – the government took a
majority stake in GM and he said that he was a reluctant shareholder.
He's talking like somebody whose hands are tied. He sounds like
he's being forced to do these things. If he believes that big
government is actually a bad thing, why doesn't he at least try less
intrusive options, which are certainly be offered up.
ROMER: You know, the crucial thing is that the status quo can't remain. What we’ve seen from the-
RODRIGUEZ: But why not start less aggressively?
ROMER: I think the truth is we are striking a really appropriate
balance. We are not bulldozing the whole system. We're very much
starting wh the regulatory structure we have and improving it. The
other thing that's important, you know, you mentioned using less
intrusive. Well, one of the key things that the President’s going to be
talking about are higher capital requirements, that’s a very sensible,
kind of market-braced – market-based approach that says, ‘let's make
sure that the firms making decisions have money on the table so that
they don't take excessive risks.’ So that they are there to absorb the
first losses. And that's incredibly important.
RODRIGUEZ: Dr. Romer, you said it's not a bulldozer, but it is the most sweeping reform in 70 years. How
can the consumer feel confident in – in trusting such a controversial
proposal when, for example, the President conceded yesterday that
unemployment will hit 10 percent, when the administration had predicted
that if we passed the stimulus, it wouldn't go over eight percent?
ROMER: You know, the crucial thing is the consumer, when you
mentioned the – what may happen to the unemployment rate. One of the
crucial things that we know caused the mess that we’re in now is lax
financial regulation, firms falling through the gap, the fact that we
don't have resolution authority now. So when we have a big firm like
AIG that gets into trouble, we don't have the tools for dealing with
it. So the crucial thing is to actually make sure we don't face this
kind of crisis again. That's the number one thing that’s going to be
good for American families and the whole American economy.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.