Author Ann Coulter sparred with Joy Behar on Reaganomics on Wednesday's
episode of The View. "How are you going to solve it if you don't have
any revenue coming in?" asked Joy Behar of the conservative commentator,
who is currently promoting her latest book, Demonic. "When Reagan cut
taxes, each year, as the taxes went down, revenue to the treasury went
up" Coulter responded.
As The View's most ardent leftist, Behar went on to try to blame bad
loans and the housing crisis on Republicans. Coulter merely rebutted
with the facts. "You cannot blame the Republicans on that" said
Coulter. "The big banks then bundled them to the mortgage-backed
securities, they got spread out into everyone's portfolio. So it was
like a poison in the economy."
Coulter also deflected blows delivered by Whoopi Goldberg, who trolled
out the classic trope of the Clinton surpluses being annihilated by the
Bush tax cuts. "Where did that money go? What happens? What's
happening?" the comedian asked. "Social security, Medicare, Medicaid,
paying congressional salaries" Coulter shot back.
The View's audience was audibly irritated by Coulter's suggestion that
entitlements were part of the problem. "I'd even go beyond blaming the
politicians. I mean, it is the people. It's very hard to take their
treats away. Once you start giving them the treats to tell them we're
going to take them away is very hard." Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who did
not intervene in this discussion, tried to maneuver the conversation in
the direction of Coulter's new book, but was cut off by Behar, who
apparently took offense at Coulter's characterization of government
entitlements. "A lot of is it is not treats. A lot of it is
necessities, let's not get on that track. It's not treats for some
people, Ann." Coulter rebutted by pointing out one of the most obvious
flaws with the entitlement system. "Ok, but how about treats being
Social Security going to Donald Trump, because that's the way the system
is set up right now?
Wednesday's encounter on The View provides more evidence, if any were
needed, that intelligent commentary is best left to those who have some
idea of what they are talking about. Suffice it to say that the
population of ABC's morning gaggle of giggles does not meet this
apparently insurmountably high bar.
A transcript of the exchange, which aired at 11:26 am on the June 8 edition of The View, follows below:
JOY BEHAR: I want to know what you think a Republican would do that the Democrats can't do?
ANN COULTER: Well, I don't want to sound too wonky, but it would be-. Peter Ferrara keeps writing about -
BEHAR: Who is he?
COULTER: -he's just a brilliant writer, economist, I think he's with
CATO. And he keeps writing: "okay, this is what Reagan did to turn the
Carter economy around, you know, cut regulation, cut taxes, this,
that." He says Obama looks like he studied what Reagan did and did
exactly the opposite, and when I came on your show when you were sitting
in for Larry King it was about a month into the Obama administration
and I believe I was pessimistic about him turning the economy around
because he's doing all of the things, micro managing from the top, big
government, raise taxes.
BEHAR: But he hasn't been able to raise the taxes, the taxes are still in place.
COULTER: The debt's going up. Taxes are going to have to go up at some point.
BEHAR: You heard that, you heard that. That's a Republican saying that.
COULTER: Well, because the debt's going up because you're spending.
BEHAR: Well how are you going to solve it if you don't have any revenue coming in? You've got to do something.
COULTER: Well what- well what this is, and this is counterintuitive,
but you must trust me on this, it's in every Thomas Sowell book ever
written. When Reagan cut taxes, each year, as the taxes went down,
revenue to the treasury went up. When people say, which is disingenuous
and sort of a sleight of hand, is, "yes, but the deficit grew." That's
because for each additional dollar he brought in, congress would spend
three more dollars. I mean, you can't overcome that, but more revenue
came into the treasury the more you cut because people-
WHOOPI GOLDBERG: Then how do you explain what happened once Bush got
in? Because we had money when, when Clinton left. So what has happened?
I know you have,I know you have an idea.
COULTER: It was, and this is so going to drive your viewers away, but I mean we know
GOLDBERG: Believe me. You can't drive them away. A lot of stuff will drive them away, but not you. Trust us.
COULTER: We do know it came from - thank you - we do know it came from
the housing market crash, and you had the government - Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac, HUD, pushing these politically correct, suicidal loans,
they were allowing unemployment benefits to be used as collateral for
mortgages. Then you have the big banks.
BEHAR: And who allowed that?
COULTER No no no, oh, no. You cannot blame the Republicans on that.
Just let me finish the train before you get to that. The big banks -
BEHAR: You can't?.
COULTER: - the big banks then bundled them to the mortgage-backed
securities, they got spread out into everyone's portfolio. So it was
like a poison in the economy.
GOLDBERG: Not that. What happened to the money that Clinton left in
the-? That's what I'm asking. What happened to the money that Clinton
left -
BEHAR: A war was started.
GOLDBERG: - Oh god child. Clinton left when he left office? Where did that money go? What happens? What's happening?
COULTER: Social security, Medicare, Medicaid, paying congressional salaries.
GOLDBERG: So are we not all guilty, then?
COULTER: Sure.
GOLDBERG: Isn't it both parties that have -
BEHAR: Screwed up.
GOLDBERG: - messed this up? Messed this up? It's not just one. So
shouldn't we try to figure out how to fix it together?
COULTER: Yes. And Not only that, I'd even go beyond blaming the
politicians. I mean, it is the people. It's very hard to take their
treats away. Once you start giving them the treats, -
GOLDBERG: That's right.
COULTER: - to tell them we're going to take them away is very hard.
GOLDBERG: That's absolutely right. So it's all of us.
BEHAR: A lot of is it is not treats. A lot of it is necessities, let's
not get on that track. It's not treats for some people, Ann. Some
people need the money. I would not have survived. When I - when I got
fired from my job from Good Morning America, I was a single, divorced
mother. If I didn't have unemployment insurance, I would [censored].
COULTER: Ok. But how about treats being Social Security going to Donald
Trump, because that's the way the system is set up right now?
BEHAR: Well, fix that part.
- Eric Ames is a News Analysis intern at the Media Research Center.